Garlic Rust and Manure Again – Some Conclusions

Almost a month ago I made a post on this topic, and I asked people to let me know what their personal experiences were. As well as making the post, I sent out some emails and I had some previous discussions with people on the subject. In total I got information from 10 garlic growers all over the world, including myself.

One of the first things I noticed was initially I didn’t get any response from anyone in the US growing garlic, and I had to send some emails and pose the question directly to some garlic growers there. It turns out the reason I didn’t get much reaction from them is garlic rust is just not much of an issue in that region. Rust is only present in a few parts of California and Arizona, and otherwise not in North America. The information I have suggests it is also not present in New Zealand.

It is not possible to draw solid conclusions from the information people sent me. Manure was used from a variety of different animals, at different times in the garden cycle, sometimes it was used fresh and sometimes composed or aged first for different amounts of time.

Under these circumstances, all it’s possible to do is try to look at everything everyone sent me in the broadest and hopefully open minded of ways, and give my opinion about what it all meant in a very unscientific way. In this spirit, what I can say is that with a few exceptions most people who lived in an area where rust was a problem and used manure on their garlic experienced serious rust, and those who didn’t use manure the rust was much less serious.

In addition, a garlic grower in the US send me a link to this publication from the Oregon State University that most importantly says too much nitrogen in your garden can stress the plants and make garlic rust worse.

Growing up in the US I have always been told most home gardens don’t need anything added to them except recycled plant material in the form of compost. You should always rotate your crops, but even the most poorly planned rotation schemes will generally keep nutrients balanced in your garden as long as you are also adding some compost.

It is possible, but not likely, that your garden is lacking some nutrient or combination of nutrients. Unless you know this from a soil test or some other way, you should not add any kind of fertilizer or soil conditioner, organic or otherwise, because you risk upsetting the natural balances in your garden and stressing your plants.

Adding fresh manure (or chemical fertilizers) can be a particular problem because the nitrogen it contains is primarily soluble nitrogen. Naturally occurring nitrogen is usually fixed. The main difference is soluble nitrogen is absorbed much more quickly by the plants (and in this way can easily kill them), whereas plants tend to absorb fixed nitrogen only as it’s needed. This quick absorption of the nitrogen can make the plants grow fast giving us the feeling we are feeding them and making them healthy, when in fact we can be damaging them. The same thing is true with phosphorus, because there are fast and slow acting versions of it. The fast acting versions of the phosphorus can give you similar problems as with soluble nitrogen.

This is what is sometimes referred to as feeding your plants instead of feeding your soil. It’s always better to feed your soil by adding things like compost or growing nitrogen fixing plants, then it is to think along the lines of vitamins and feed your plants NPK (nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium) fertilizers.

For farmers the situation is different, because they often have commercial reasons why they don’t rotate their crops, and they have to deal with economic realities requiring cosmetics and yield on a cost basis. Farmers also usually use commercial varieties of crops which often require special applications of fertilizers and pesticides. Farmers also often have animals and need a way to deal with the waste. We grow things differently and under different circumstances in our gardens.

This year I have purchased a Soil Testing Kit, and I hope to use it to get some information about my garden. I am certain soil testing will not be the end of the story. Nutrients in your garden can vary greatly from spot to spot and season to season, and is also very dependent on what fertilizers have been used in the past as well as what plants have been grown. At the same time, I hope testing the soil will give me an idea if there are any serious problems. I’ll be posting about my results.

Søren and I have been discussing this in email, and he has pointed out there are other ways besides chemical tests to determine if there are nutrient imbalances in your garden. Experienced gardeners can tell just by the way certain plants grow.

For example, you can tell by how brown your garlic gets if you have too much nitrogen in your garden!

Bare Bones Gardener posted not too long ago about using hydrangeas to tell if your soil is acidic or not.

I hope some more people do posts about these kinds of plants, because in the long run this is obviously a better solution than a chemical soil test.

Manure and Garlic Rust

As many of you know, garlic rust has been a problem disease in many places in the world over the last couple years.

What’s interesting is some people get rust on their plants, and it’s not serious. This is what happened to me over the last two years. It came later than most other people and it didn’t really seem to cause serious problems.

For other people it’s a very serious problem.

I don’t use manure or any other high nitrogen fertilizer in my garden.

Apparently, most people I know who had serious problems with garlic rust, including someone with a garden 100km (60 miles) from mine, used manure when planting their garlic.

You would think this would be a yes or no question, did you use manure? It turns out it can be a lot more complicated, involve timing, different kinds of manure as well as combinations with other fertilizers.

Also, anyone reading this should realize the use of manure is a bit of a cultural thing. Growing up in the US, we never used manure on our gardens, or at most a small amount. I suspect there are a lot of other Americans who don’t either. I guess most Americans growing up on a farm, or raising rabbits, chickens or other livestock would probably use manure on their gardens, but perhaps not others? Most Europeans, especially northern Europeans seem to use manure each year, often covering their garden with as much as several centimeters.

There you have it. Do you grow garlic? Do you get rust each year, and if so how serious? Do you use manure or similar high nitrogen fertilizer, if so when and how much do you use? Please be specific in your answers. Thank you!

The Oddities of Google

Google seems to be a popular blogging topic. Mostly because Google seems to be quite broken right now, but also there are always people around amused at the search terms people use to find their blog or other strange things about Google.

Robin of Bumblebee Blog had a good idea. She suggested her readers post some of the the search terms people use to find their blogs, then she would then make a post linking to them after December 5th, so we could all compare. Here’s my contribution. I’ve been meaning to post about this anyway.

Of course people find us for the ‘right’ reasons, by searching on topics relating to this blog, but I’m going to give some examples here of some unexpected things.

The first thing to realize is Google has really changed a lot over the last few years, and search terms people were finding us with before are not the same as now, with one exception. Before and now, the single most common term people use to find this blog is ‘weed burner’. I made a post about weed burners very early on, and I seem to have become the main Internet information resource for weed burners.

As a result of using the word ‘weed’ in a popular post, and posting a little later about cannabis, we also have no end of people who find us wanting information on this:

pics of weed

weed

cheap weed

I also made a post about my 325 year old wooden house foundation needing to be repaired, and a lot of people started finding us looking for information on foundations:

Why is my house sinking?

sinking house foundation

How do I know if my foundation is bad?

What does a bad foundation look like?

For a long time, people were finding us searching on information about carrots:

Can you grow carrots in a bottle?

What do carrots look like when they are underground?

What types of carrots are there?

history of carrots

pictures of carrots

how do I grow carrots

To be clear, I’ve never particularly posted much here about carrots.

For a while a number of people were finding us searching for missing bees and Colony Collapse Disorder. The popularity of the topic led me to write a number of followup articles afterwards.

A number of people have found us recently looking for pictures of different kinds of garlic. This was part of the reason for posting the pictures recently, because there aren’t many pictures of garlic on the Internet.

By far in a way the biggest ‘Google event’ happened when Steph made this post on Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.

For those of you not familiar with this beer, in recent years it’s probably become the most popular ‘alternative’ beer in the US, and it’s particularly popular among students. When Steph and I were students in Chico, California, where the brewery is located, we went on a tour of the brewery while it was still in a garage. A few days ago we bought our first bottle in Amsterdam! It still tastes the same after all these years. At 15 euros (about US$21) for six bottles it’s not going to become our daily beer again anytime soon, but it was still a nice treat.

Anyway, after Steph made this post people started ‘borrowing’ the picture by linking to it within blog posts, forums, myspace pages and so on. It’s all over the Internet now, and a search on Google images shows it’s now the most popular image above even those released by the brewery itself! The picture itself is probably the single largest source of Internet traffic for our domain, I think more than everything else combined.

Like I said, Google is broken now, but until recently it was including all of these links in our page rankings. I like to think I’m popular for other reasons, but surely this has had the greatest impact on our Google rankings!

Long Term Storage of Garlic Planting Stock

Søren of In the Toads Garden and I have recently been discussing the idea of freezing garlic planting stock.

This is something I’ve been thinking about for a few years now, and I’ve done some research on the subject, but I haven’t come across anything useful. In particular, I haven’t found anything to say ‘yes it’s possible’ or ‘no it’s not possible’. There must be seed banks out there tasked with this issue, and there must be some information somewhere, but I haven’t been able to find it.

I’m aware freezing it for eating doesn’t work well, and there is a big decrease in quality. It must however be possible to freeze it for planting stock, because in many climates it freezes in the ground while it’s growing.

Issues Discussed So Far

How long to expect it to last frozen, and how many years should we plan to test?

Will it keep more that a year or two? Ten years? What is a good amount of garlic to freeze now?

What sort of container should we freeze it in?

When I freeze seeds, I use a glass jar with a rubber seal. This is because no other storage container is truly airtight. Is this a good idea with garlic? When storing garlic for eating it is best kept in an open airy place, this is because it is still ‘alive’ and needs to breath. Will it need to breath in the freezer? Is it better to freeze it in a piece of paper or will it then dry out or get snowy?

Fall or spring planting?

Most garlics do better when fall planted and experience a period of cold weather. Will freezing garlic mean we can spring plant instead of fall plant, or even make it better to spring plant?

Bulbils, cloves or bulbs?

Some garlic types form bulbils. Is it better to freeze these rather than cloves? Is it better to freeze whole cloves, or is freezing the seporate cloves enough?

Different garlic types

As I’ve posted about before, there are 10 different garlic types or sub-types. Will these react differently to freezing? In what way do we need to test combinations of all of the above mentioned variables together with the different types?

Do you have any opinions or ideas on all of this? Do you have any suggestions of more variables we should test for or consider than what’s mentioned here? Please leave a comment and let us know!

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