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	<description>Heirloom gardening and the lives of Pat &#039;n&#039; Steph</description>
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		<title>By: Algal Blooms &#124; Bifurcated Carrots</title>
		<link>http://bifurcatedcarrots.eu/2010/03/soil-test/comment-page-1/#comment-94101</link>
		<dc:creator>Algal Blooms &#124; Bifurcated Carrots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2011 19:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out on it, and this in turn contaminates the water.  Because of a soil test I did a few years ago, I already know there&#8217;s a lot of phosphorus in the ground and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] out on it, and this in turn contaminates the water.  Because of a soil test I did a few years ago, I already know there&#8217;s a lot of phosphorus in the ground and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://bifurcatedcarrots.eu/2010/03/soil-test/comment-page-1/#comment-54474</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David,

I&#039;ve just had a chance to read it.  The article is really interesting!  I&#039;ve noticed compost seems to go really fast in my garden.  During the summer I tend not to bother making a pile per se, but rather just leave pulled weeds in place, because they decompose so quickly anyway.  It makes me wonder if I have a similar bacteria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just had a chance to read it.  The article is really interesting!  I&#8217;ve noticed compost seems to go really fast in my garden.  During the summer I tend not to bother making a pile per se, but rather just leave pulled weeds in place, because they decompose so quickly anyway.  It makes me wonder if I have a similar bacteria.</p>
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		<title>By: David Kane</title>
		<link>http://bifurcatedcarrots.eu/2010/03/soil-test/comment-page-1/#comment-54427</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might be interested in this article in the New Scientist about the Chinampas, that I read a while ago.  Unfortunately it has been made private, but if you are quick, you might be able to get the cached version.  See cached version here: http://bit.ly/avKltN

Basically, the article posits that subterranean strain of bacteria churned up by the nearby volcano, lives in the waterways and is the reason for the fertility of the Chinampas.  

Scientists discovered highly heat tolerant bacteria that had excellent composting properties.

Article is fascinating.

David.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be interested in this article in the New Scientist about the Chinampas, that I read a while ago.  Unfortunately it has been made private, but if you are quick, you might be able to get the cached version.  See cached version here: <a href="http://bit.ly/avKltN" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/avKltN</a></p>
<p>Basically, the article posits that subterranean strain of bacteria churned up by the nearby volcano, lives in the waterways and is the reason for the fertility of the Chinampas.  </p>
<p>Scientists discovered highly heat tolerant bacteria that had excellent composting properties.</p>
<p>Article is fascinating.</p>
<p>David.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://bifurcatedcarrots.eu/2010/03/soil-test/comment-page-1/#comment-54183</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s pretty neat Owen!  I had never heard of Chinampas before.  I wonder if there are some parallels...  At a brief glance, they have an age old system based on ancient rock formations and other things that are a far cry from my wet sand dune.  When I have time, I&#039;ll read up on it and see if I can get any ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s pretty neat Owen!  I had never heard of Chinampas before.  I wonder if there are some parallels&#8230;  At a brief glance, they have an age old system based on ancient rock formations and other things that are a far cry from my wet sand dune.  When I have time, I&#8217;ll read up on it and see if I can get any ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhizowen</title>
		<link>http://bifurcatedcarrots.eu/2010/03/soil-test/comment-page-1/#comment-54073</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhizowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Patrick

Thanks for the clarification - sounds like you live in Chinampasterdam.  If it worked for the Aztecs, why not the Dutch?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Patrick</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification &#8211; sounds like you live in Chinampasterdam.  If it worked for the Aztecs, why not the Dutch?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://bifurcatedcarrots.eu/2010/03/soil-test/comment-page-1/#comment-54062</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Owen,

Our rainfall is about 800mm per year.

Yes, I guess 7.2 is a little high.  I even still give the odd handful of lime to fruit trees and soft fruits.  I have a meter with a probe, not very accurate, but still gives a pretty good indication of pH.  With this I can see widely different readings in different places.  A few meters outside my garden I have even had readings as low as 5.5.  It is possible the previous gardener used excessive amounts of lime, but I would have thought it would have gone away by now.

Historically Amsterdam was a peat bog, but it&#039;s a long way by now from it&#039;s natural state.  Still, for this reason, people often advise me to be sure to use lots of lime in my garden to counter the acidity of the peat.

Managing water levels over the years with dikes and canals has caused the ground to sink.  My garden is about 1 meter below sea level, but the original ground is much lower than that, probably another 3-4 meters down.  To make the land usable, they&#039;ve filled it in with sand.  One of my nearby gardeners said he dug a hole as deep as he could, and about 1.5 meters down he encountered a layer of plastic, probably put there to help keep the ground from settling.

It&#039;s kind of interesting gardening with so much water.  The water usually sits about 30-50cm below the garden, meaning plants with roots at least that deep never need any watering.  The land is &#039;well drained&#039; so to speak, and the water is always fresh and well circulated.  There are of course plants that don&#039;t like wet feet, but most plants seem to cope with it okay.  Everything does flood from time to time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Owen,</p>
<p>Our rainfall is about 800mm per year.</p>
<p>Yes, I guess 7.2 is a little high.  I even still give the odd handful of lime to fruit trees and soft fruits.  I have a meter with a probe, not very accurate, but still gives a pretty good indication of pH.  With this I can see widely different readings in different places.  A few meters outside my garden I have even had readings as low as 5.5.  It is possible the previous gardener used excessive amounts of lime, but I would have thought it would have gone away by now.</p>
<p>Historically Amsterdam was a peat bog, but it&#8217;s a long way by now from it&#8217;s natural state.  Still, for this reason, people often advise me to be sure to use lots of lime in my garden to counter the acidity of the peat.</p>
<p>Managing water levels over the years with dikes and canals has caused the ground to sink.  My garden is about 1 meter below sea level, but the original ground is much lower than that, probably another 3-4 meters down.  To make the land usable, they&#8217;ve filled it in with sand.  One of my nearby gardeners said he dug a hole as deep as he could, and about 1.5 meters down he encountered a layer of plastic, probably put there to help keep the ground from settling.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of interesting gardening with so much water.  The water usually sits about 30-50cm below the garden, meaning plants with roots at least that deep never need any watering.  The land is &#8216;well drained&#8217; so to speak, and the water is always fresh and well circulated.  There are of course plants that don&#8217;t like wet feet, but most plants seem to cope with it okay.  Everything does flood from time to time.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhizowen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhizowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting Patrick

What&#039;s your annual rainfall? What&#039;s the underlying geology where you are?  I would have thought a pH of 7.2 was at the high end for the availability of some nutrients.  As usual, the plants themselves give a pretty clear indication of any underlying problems.  If they look OK, then they probably are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting Patrick</p>
<p>What&#8217;s your annual rainfall? What&#8217;s the underlying geology where you are?  I would have thought a pH of 7.2 was at the high end for the availability of some nutrients.  As usual, the plants themselves give a pretty clear indication of any underlying problems.  If they look OK, then they probably are.</p>
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